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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are a jnu types,self absorbed, pseudo westernized and a confused dumbo...:)&lt;br/&gt;your arguments are so vacuous that I feel nauseated at my seat. &lt;br/&gt;Dude, get a life, you have wasted your education and now fo us a favor by discontinuing this blog. plzzzzz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are a jnu types,self absorbed, pseudo westernized and a confused dumbo&#8230;:)<br />your arguments are so vacuous that I feel nauseated at my seat. <br />Dude, get a life, you have wasted your education and now fo us a favor by discontinuing this blog. plzzzzz</p>
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		<title>By: preeti</title>
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		<dc:creator>preeti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a person from a certain backward caste has knowledge about educational institutions, education, educational opportunities and about the reservations they have...he is not in such a deprived situation as you were talking...and these are the people who are utilising the reservations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only way you can stop misuse of reservations is to remove caste based reseration as there is no point if it is not serving the purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I neither agree with reservation based on economic condition of the people...you can give scholarships because for all the successful people education was not taught...and you&#039;ld study the same thing whether you are in a private or govt school if have the right attitude.&lt;br /&gt;There are lot of rich people who can afford to spend on good coachings and tutions which normal people might not...then you cant ask for reservation for them too right??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a person from a certain backward caste has knowledge about educational institutions, education, educational opportunities and about the reservations they have&#8230;he is not in such a deprived situation as you were talking&#8230;and these are the people who are utilising the reservations.</p>
<p>The only way you can stop misuse of reservations is to remove caste based reseration as there is no point if it is not serving the purpose.</p>
<p>I neither agree with reservation based on economic condition of the people&#8230;you can give scholarships because for all the successful people education was not taught&#8230;and you&#8217;ld study the same thing whether you are in a private or govt school if have the right attitude.<br />There are lot of rich people who can afford to spend on good coachings and tutions which normal people might not&#8230;then you cant ask for reservation for them too right??</p>
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		<title>By: Polite Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polite Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot of people get sympathetic and apologetic when the learn about the years of oppression that has been carried about in the name of caste. This oppression has resulted in the economic subjugation of these castes. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regarding your view on reservations based on economic condition:&lt;br/&gt;You think that is not necessary because one can get scholarships and loans and still get through his education. I think you are contradicting your own argument here. Take a case of a poor &quot;forward caste&quot; person who cannot earn enough to give a decent education to his kids. Say, the kids complete their schooling somehow, do you think they have the same facilities and opportunities to be able to compete with others from sound financial background?&lt;br/&gt;You will use the same logic if asked why you want to provide reservation to someone from a particular caste.&lt;br/&gt;So caste or no caste, the handicap comes from the economic background. The handicap that comes from the caste is different and cannot be solved by reservations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Another question to answer is ,&quot;What do you think reservations based on caste would achieve?&quot; In my view, it will provide means to elevate the economic status of those concerned. Nothing more than that!!!&lt;br/&gt;What about the social status? What about treating everybody equally? In order to understand the gravity of caste based inequality you need to understand what really goes on there. When you visit your ancestral village next time try finding out how many people will embrace an SC knowing that this SC is an Engineer. Will they look upto him and admire him or still privately look down upon him because he is an SC. I am pretty sure the second thing will happen.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The point here is, The social injustice based on caste cannot be reverted or corrected by educational quotas like this. What is really needed is abolishing the caste system. I have blogged my views on http://politeindian.wordpress.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nobody was more concerned about the SC/ST than Ambedkar himself. You should read his &quot;Annhilation of Castes.&quot; It is very nice read for anybody trying to understand the caste system and its anamolies. I have a link to the book on my blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In essence there are two different problems and people are trying to solve the two with one solution which cannot achieve the desired goal. The current populist measures adopted by politicians are only worsening the real problem and are further dividing an already divided society.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what shuold happen is,&lt;br/&gt;1. Caste System Be Abolished&lt;br/&gt;2. Reservation based on economic criteria and that too till the time we build our primary/secondary school infrastructure such that every kid can get a decent education.&lt;br/&gt;3. Strict monitoring of these policies and periodic evaluation of their success or failure.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once the evil of caste is vanquished then we can fight the classic class war insted of the distorted caste war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of people get sympathetic and apologetic when the learn about the years of oppression that has been carried about in the name of caste. This oppression has resulted in the economic subjugation of these castes. </p>
<p>Regarding your view on reservations based on economic condition:<br />You think that is not necessary because one can get scholarships and loans and still get through his education. I think you are contradicting your own argument here. Take a case of a poor &#8220;forward caste&#8221; person who cannot earn enough to give a decent education to his kids. Say, the kids complete their schooling somehow, do you think they have the same facilities and opportunities to be able to compete with others from sound financial background?<br />You will use the same logic if asked why you want to provide reservation to someone from a particular caste.<br />So caste or no caste, the handicap comes from the economic background. The handicap that comes from the caste is different and cannot be solved by reservations.</p>
<p>Another question to answer is ,&#8221;What do you think reservations based on caste would achieve?&#8221; In my view, it will provide means to elevate the economic status of those concerned. Nothing more than that!!!<br />What about the social status? What about treating everybody equally? In order to understand the gravity of caste based inequality you need to understand what really goes on there. When you visit your ancestral village next time try finding out how many people will embrace an SC knowing that this SC is an Engineer. Will they look upto him and admire him or still privately look down upon him because he is an SC. I am pretty sure the second thing will happen.</p>
<p>The point here is, The social injustice based on caste cannot be reverted or corrected by educational quotas like this. What is really needed is abolishing the caste system. I have blogged my views on <a href="http://politeindian.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://politeindian.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>Nobody was more concerned about the SC/ST than Ambedkar himself. You should read his &#8220;Annhilation of Castes.&#8221; It is very nice read for anybody trying to understand the caste system and its anamolies. I have a link to the book on my blog.</p>
<p>In essence there are two different problems and people are trying to solve the two with one solution which cannot achieve the desired goal. The current populist measures adopted by politicians are only worsening the real problem and are further dividing an already divided society.</p>
<p>So what shuold happen is,<br />1. Caste System Be Abolished<br />2. Reservation based on economic criteria and that too till the time we build our primary/secondary school infrastructure such that every kid can get a decent education.<br />3. Strict monitoring of these policies and periodic evaluation of their success or failure.</p>
<p>Once the evil of caste is vanquished then we can fight the classic class war insted of the distorted caste war.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey sandy...&lt;br/&gt;yeah its true tat he is not given mbbs certification but it stops from other person who is capable of pursuing the valuable degree... even if a uncapable guy comes under reservation he can get through the degree through many means..i donno how strict it is in iits but it rather effects in other colleges...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey sandy&#8230;<br />yeah its true tat he is not given mbbs certification but it stops from other person who is capable of pursuing the valuable degree&#8230; even if a uncapable guy comes under reservation he can get through the degree through many means..i donno how strict it is in iits but it rather effects in other colleges&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Myndfcukd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myndfcukd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ anonymous 1. thnx for the advice. will try to follow it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@ anonymous 2. You must realise that by reservations we do not give MBBS certification to someone that doesnt deserve it. We only give admission into the MBBS course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hope you are sane enough to realise this first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ anonymous 1. thnx for the advice. will try to follow it.</p>
<p>@ anonymous 2. You must realise that by reservations we do not give MBBS certification to someone that doesnt deserve it. We only give admission into the MBBS course.</p>
<p>I hope you are sane enough to realise this first.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey,this is wrong mr unlinkly genius.&lt;br/&gt;reservations dont build the nation insted it will crop it down. if a person who is not deserved to be a docter is given an mbbs certification how do u accept his treatment??? he cant even write the prescription properlty then how can he treat u??&lt;br/&gt;dont think tat by reservation only worthfull candidates come to hand.we get an junk of proffestionls who are not capable of doing there job, the govt should only support the ppl who are eligble to be a professional.&lt;br/&gt;i am strongly against the resrvation and i hope eveyone understands the reservation concept in depth..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey,this is wrong mr unlinkly genius.<br />reservations dont build the nation insted it will crop it down. if a person who is not deserved to be a docter is given an mbbs certification how do u accept his treatment??? he cant even write the prescription properlty then how can he treat u??<br />dont think tat by reservation only worthfull candidates come to hand.we get an junk of proffestionls who are not capable of doing there job, the govt should only support the ppl who are eligble to be a professional.<br />i am strongly against the resrvation and i hope eveyone understands the reservation concept in depth..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 11:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You have sufficiantly established your fondness and obsession for your own blog. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although your blog does not point ot anything better than the billions of essays published on the same topic, you have gone onto people&#039;s blog, ridiculed their blogs and have asked them to read your own. Well this is the lowest that you can stoop to get people to read your blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You would better off be writing - &quot;This-is-what-i-did-today&quot; blogs. In that case you wouldn&#039;t have to publicise your blog in such a venemous manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear</p>
<p>You have sufficiantly established your fondness and obsession for your own blog. </p>
<p>Although your blog does not point ot anything better than the billions of essays published on the same topic, you have gone onto people&#8217;s blog, ridiculed their blogs and have asked them to read your own. Well this is the lowest that you can stoop to get people to read your blog.</p>
<p>You would better off be writing &#8211; &#8220;This-is-what-i-did-today&#8221; blogs. In that case you wouldn&#8217;t have to publicise your blog in such a venemous manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagadish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagadish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rahul: Dude! if you could read, you would&#039;ve spelled my name right. Anyway, agreed they&#039;re not as good as the general guys maybe but you&#039;re assuming that every other general guy is better than them. And i dont think thats right. 6 pointer or 9 pointer, the fact that these people complete the course successfully ensures the fact that they&#039;re good enough to put up a Dr. before their name. There are bad doctors but not necesssarily they&#039;re all reserved category people and that is my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rahul: Dude! if you could read, you would&#8217;ve spelled my name right. Anyway, agreed they&#8217;re not as good as the general guys maybe but you&#8217;re assuming that every other general guy is better than them. And i dont think thats right. 6 pointer or 9 pointer, the fact that these people complete the course successfully ensures the fact that they&#8217;re good enough to put up a Dr. before their name. There are bad doctors but not necesssarily they&#8217;re all reserved category people and that is my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Srivatsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahul Srivatsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jagadeesh&lt;br/&gt;dude...do you even know how to read?? i was clearly referring to caliber of the incoming student after the reservation is made. With due respect to all the reserved candidates in IIT&#039;s and elsewhere, have you seen their standards when compared to the general students. i am sure if he/she is of comparable caliber with tht of a &quot;high caste&quot; guy he would get in without the reservation. dont comment without going through stuff properly...jus irritates others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jagadeesh<br />dude&#8230;do you even know how to read?? i was clearly referring to caliber of the incoming student after the reservation is made. With due respect to all the reserved candidates in IIT&#8217;s and elsewhere, have you seen their standards when compared to the general students. i am sure if he/she is of comparable caliber with tht of a &#8220;high caste&#8221; guy he would get in without the reservation. dont comment without going through stuff properly&#8230;jus irritates others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagadish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagadish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rahul and gcp: Its ridiculous to say that ppl of lower caliber go on to become an MBBS. doesnt mean that every god damn higher caste guy will make a better doctor. People dont just become doctors because they attend a medical school. You still have to get through the exams and compete with the other guys. get your perspective right before you say things like that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@indra: Your thinking is flawed when you say you want to support reservation. Here are my reasons:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. The current reservation of 22% is more than enough at present in IIT&#039;s since the number of people who qualify even with reduced qualification marks are quite less than the no. of seats. The remaining seats are given to people after one year of Preparatory course. Some people drop out after the course. So effectively some seats always remain. So increasing the seats would result in more seats remaining unfilled or decreasing the qualifying mark to accomodate more backward class people. Would you really support such an idea?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. In case of places other than IIT&#039;s the seats which are remaining after they&#039;re filled by backward classes are usually given to general quota guys. tell me why should a guy with a better rank than the backward class guy wait and take the leftovers?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Oppression for years might be your reason to support caste based reservations but seriously with this kind of atmosphere would a backward class guy be able to mingle with everyone in the institute? wouldnt this lead to seggregation of ppl into different classes like we&#039;ve gult gumbal, mallu gumbal and such. In time we will see gumbals based on caste. How good is that?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Finally, how deserving would a backward class guy feel when he gets a seat in the institute based on reservation? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My point is.. merit should not go unrewarded. Years of oppression is no reason to give them freebies. The idea is to be able to provide them necessary things like basic education and awareness. Eventually, they should be able to mingle with everyone proudly that theyre deserving of what they&#039;ve got. They should be able to compete with everyone on the same footing. This goes for women too, who want equality among men and women but claim reservation and demand for more. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If those reasons dont sound good enough for you. I dont know what else can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rahul and gcp: Its ridiculous to say that ppl of lower caliber go on to become an MBBS. doesnt mean that every god damn higher caste guy will make a better doctor. People dont just become doctors because they attend a medical school. You still have to get through the exams and compete with the other guys. get your perspective right before you say things like that.</p>
<p>@indra: Your thinking is flawed when you say you want to support reservation. Here are my reasons:</p>
<p>1. The current reservation of 22% is more than enough at present in IIT&#8217;s since the number of people who qualify even with reduced qualification marks are quite less than the no. of seats. The remaining seats are given to people after one year of Preparatory course. Some people drop out after the course. So effectively some seats always remain. So increasing the seats would result in more seats remaining unfilled or decreasing the qualifying mark to accomodate more backward class people. Would you really support such an idea?</p>
<p>2. In case of places other than IIT&#8217;s the seats which are remaining after they&#8217;re filled by backward classes are usually given to general quota guys. tell me why should a guy with a better rank than the backward class guy wait and take the leftovers?</p>
<p>3. Oppression for years might be your reason to support caste based reservations but seriously with this kind of atmosphere would a backward class guy be able to mingle with everyone in the institute? wouldnt this lead to seggregation of ppl into different classes like we&#8217;ve gult gumbal, mallu gumbal and such. In time we will see gumbals based on caste. How good is that?</p>
<p>4. Finally, how deserving would a backward class guy feel when he gets a seat in the institute based on reservation? </p>
<p>My point is.. merit should not go unrewarded. Years of oppression is no reason to give them freebies. The idea is to be able to provide them necessary things like basic education and awareness. Eventually, they should be able to mingle with everyone proudly that theyre deserving of what they&#8217;ve got. They should be able to compete with everyone on the same footing. This goes for women too, who want equality among men and women but claim reservation and demand for more. </p>
<p>If those reasons dont sound good enough for you. I dont know what else can.</p>
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